GREAT AMERICAN PARTY

Zone7dunk Goopunch3 Who’s coming in second?

I’m looking for a new partner if anyone is available

Ask GM_Archiee he also wants a new partner

Do you need a spot for team 9? General_endee and robit

its general_ender ?

TO me this tournament seems full and will be started soon as anyone has no questions anymore about changing partners!

I have no partner

i'll partner with drip

Perfect

It would be helpful if the organizer ensured that there are no bonuses on the drop for a fair tournament. I know i would take the time to make sure. Thanks.

The organizer generated the random and that's it in the future it will be mentioned in the tournament that it is random. sorry about that but it will always be random The games are generated in the tournament panel and the teams are entered here is the challonge link now Also a drop bonus its not much about fairness in team games https://challonge.com/760ka9pq

Clarkenfeld will be my teammate instead of bluebonnet for all games going forward. Thanks.

Oof..Trouble in paradise?

No. Tournaments are supposed to have fair drops. So when teams or players win, how can they properly brag about the win when the drop is not fair. As a TO (tournament organizer) I make sure there are no bonuses on the drop. I realized that this takes time to do but it is worth it to keep the integrity of the tournament and it's the TO responsibility to run a fair tournament and check for these things. I will provide stats with BJ tournaments later today when I have time. Anyway, I will stay to keep the tournament running. I have many teammates and Clarkenfeld is another teammate I play quite often...dont worry you will get the same level of play from him. Bluebonnet, clarken and I go way back....like we have been playing together for 7 years. We are currently at another site where all drops are fair regardless if the game is in a tournament or not. My tournaments are clear on the map, settings, expectations on the time commitment and quite frankly if these details were communicated properly, we would not have entered the tournament.

ok...i'm back with data. Last American Party Tournament https://dominating12.com/tournament/211 Only for the Oregon Map. Here are the games where the teams won [b]WITH[/b] a bonus on the drop. I've included the game link...just scroll down the game log to the beginning, and you can see the bonuses on the drop. [b]Wins with a help of a bonus (10 games)[/b] https://dominating12.com/game/1544651 https://dominating12.com/game/1549808 https://dominating12.com/game/1544653 https://dominating12.com/game/1544657 https://dominating12.com/game/1544659 https://dominating12.com/game/1544660 https://dominating12.com/game/1550441 https://dominating12.com/game/1544662 https://dominating12.com/game/1574080 https://dominating12.com/game/1574081 Here is a list of the games won even though the other team had a bonus on the drop (2 games) https://dominating12.com/game/1544652 https://dominating12.com/game/1544658 Now for our current tournament....please note, many of the games are not finished yet. https://dominating12.com/tournament/238 [b]Wins with a help of a bonus (5 games)[/b] https://dominating12.com/game/1626326 https://dominating12.com/game/1625533 https://dominating12.com/game/1625529 https://dominating12.com/game/1625526 https://dominating12.com/game/1625523 Here is a list of the games won even though the other team had a bonus on the drop (2 games) https://dominating12.com/game/1544652 https://dominating12.com/game/1544658 ok...even with our small sample size, there is already a [b][u]HUGE[/u][/b] DISCREPANCY. That means if you have a drop on the bonus...you have a 80% chance of winning that game. That's [u]rigged win[/u] in my opinion. [quote=Blagoje_Jovovic]The organizer generated the random and that's it in the future it will be mentioned in the tournament that it is random. sorry about that but it will always be random The games are generated in the tournament panel and the teams are entered here is the challonge link now Also a drop bonus its not much about fairness in team games https://challonge.com/760ka9pq[/quote] So yes, as a TO myself, I know that the games generated are random, but it's BJ's role to run the tournament. If he chooses not to keep the integrity of the tournament or the tournament fair, then there is nothing I could do. Players can choose to participate or not. Because this was not communicated (poor advertising), players have every right not drop out if they were unaware of the maps, settings, AND the fairness of the drop. I rest my case. Edit: plus games are supposed to be fun and if you already know you have an 80% chance of losing with very little chance of making up the difference right from the start, what fun is that? It's supposed to be fun. Don't suck the fun out of it because you can't be bothered to keep it even. And for the winners....knowing they had this advantage?....bluebonnet and I often cancel games when new players join a team game and they are not aware it's a team game or when a teammate doesn't show up...its not fun for the other player.