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The_Bishop wrote:
The main issue I've found, playing a lil bit with AI generated images, is that it is impossible to reproduce an image with just some minor changes, .. Which is the thing we do here, all the time!. Basically AI can't fix or improve their own images by itself. Yes, it's also unpredictable, I gave up when I got a beautiful horse with 5 legs, but I:m sure things are evolving fast.
«God doesn't play dice with the World» ~ Albert Einstein
«War is God’s way of teaching us geography» ~ Mark Twain
The_Bishop wrote:
Oh my bad, I missed a 10 months old post from Hoodlum!

Hoodlum
played around with an old dabble. chicago
chicago (click to show)

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Yes please, do it. I'm still supporting the Chicago city map idea. I like it!
«God doesn't play dice with the World» ~ Albert Einstein
«War is God’s way of teaching us geography» ~ Mark Twain
Hoodlum wrote:
im not sure if i have the original source anymore. but ill look.
i think i do have a version where i can get rid of (change) the buildings/boats and airplane assets and play around with them.
as for place names, bonus numbers, colours etc, i think that might be permanent unless i can find the original. at least for this image, unless someone wants to redraw the whole thing
Dima wrote:
Hoodlum
im not sure if i have the original source anymore. but ill look.
i think i do have a version where i can get rid of (change) the buildings/boats and airplane assets and play around with them.
as for place names, bonus numbers, colours etc, i think that might be permanent unless i can find the original. at least for this image, unless someone wants to redraw the whole thing


i use Ibis Paint and can sometimes more or less siccesfully extract lines from pictures.

Spoiler (click to show)

...but i think it sucks and its easier to simply re-draw it. i could do it on my tablet quickly, but not now. due to health issues i am sometimes a bit handycapped, so cant say when i can do it. but once i am ok, i am very fast.
the map looks clean and,i think we should add it into the system. the only issie is that there are 3 small regiojs in the west and only 1 in the east, so players starting in the west have it easier. at leastin capped card setting. mayne split blue/green region in 2?
"vorple: the real strategy comes when you cant just win cuz you got lucky and got the big card stack"
The_Bishop wrote:
Not West and East, but North and South, the map is 90 degrees tilted. Anyway the right-side and the left-side are pretty well connected by the Michigan Lake and also by the two airports. Plus the regions are quite accurately the actual neighborhoods of Chicago: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/Chicago_community_areas_map.svg

It's practically done as it is, in my opinion, I don't know what is in the need to be re-done. Dima seems to be a lover of tall maps, perhaps he wants to remake it North oriented? But actually I don't think it would be a good idea.

Well, yes if I really have to suggest anything, I would say let's use a smaller compass, in white, somewhere under the title, then remove the black compass and use that empty gray area to draw a nicer, larger and more detailed skyline... Just an idea.
«God doesn't play dice with the World» ~ Albert Einstein
«War is God’s way of teaching us geography» ~ Mark Twain
Hoodlum wrote:
Ancestral Waters (click to show)

more playing around with prompts. structuring it d12 style
Hoodlum wrote:
Tried to find the original source, but it's lost. ended up experimenting with a grimy version 100% view
Chicago (click to show)
Virtuosity98 wrote:
Hoodlum
Tried to find the original source, but it's lost. ended up experimenting with a grimy version 100% view
Chicago (click to show)
I love it Hoodlum - great look! The skyline is a really nice touch. I wonder if the little +2 region should be reduced to a +1? It just seems disproportionately valuable when compared to the other regions in my opinion. People have disagreed with me before though on region bonuses - what does everyone else think?

Since there are only 2 airports, maybe a simple dotted line (perhaps stylised with a plane?) would increase the intuitiveness of that connection.
It took me a while to notice the rotated orientation - would it be possible to edit the compass so that North stands out a bit more?
These are both tiny (possibly needless) suggestions - the map is great already!





Rockbert wrote:
wow, those are really cool. nice work!
"A writer is a person for whom writing is more difficult than it is for other people."
- Thomas Mann
Dima wrote:
Virtuosity98
Hoodlum
Tried to find the original source, but it's lost. ended up experimenting with a grimy version 100% view
Chicago (click to show)
I love it Hoodlum - great look! The skyline is a really nice touch. I wonder if the little +2 region should be reduced to a +1? It just seems disproportionately valuable when compared to the other regions in my opinion. People have disagreed with me before though on region bonuses - what does everyone else think?

i had the same idea in my mind. although the +2 makes sense if we use formula, it still looks too good and easy bonis compared to others.
it could also be possible that the eastern side is a bit more difficult to start compared to the western. western side has two +3 and one +2 bonus, while there is only one +3 in the east. maybe even reducing the two +3 in the west to +2?

look and design: i rly like it & its really my taste, not too gloomy and not to bright, exactly the right amount of gloominess/shadow also bridges look very good.




another question: if i manage to put the real territory names for all territories of the roman empire and make them fit & look good, would you use it and change the current territory names, the ones with roman numbers, to real written names? basicly you wouod simply replace the slide with names with the one i ll send you? real names will make it a bit more realistic amd easiert to memorize name and position of the territory on the map.


"vorple: the real strategy comes when you cant just win cuz you got lucky and got the big card stack"
Hoodlum wrote:
If i recall, this maps gameplay was heavily influenced by Bishop, I think I just followed his instructions, as he took an interest in the map. Stylewise, for this version I had both dima & virt in mind, of what they might appreciate.. I had tried many styles before with this geography such as a mafia one but wasn't pulling it off. This didn't look that good to me on my pc but looks good on my mobile..uploaded it anyway.
Yup decided to just draw a line for the airport initially, but then wasn't too sure I wanted to draw over the cool skyline image i found. Making the N (north) bigger is a good idea.

Both ports sea and air are accurate to Chicago from memory.
Yup, its been mentioned before about the left and right being imbalanced and therefore I think Bishop/Doughboy suggested the use of airports.

@Dima. I dont have the original source of roman empire on, and if I recall, some of those territories were annoyingly small to fit some of the actual real place names, therefore I opted for Roman Numerals. I actually numbered them chronologically by invasion.
I think it might be painful if u tries to extract the numerals graphically but u can try lol. I think the map is on d12 because u actually pushed for it..and also sparked ir interest into d12 cartography..
I'm open for u to experiment with it. What could be done, is enter the real names in the cartography panel so that it shows up in the game log in game play at least. I like that idea. The numerals confuse me also while playing it
The_Bishop wrote:
Wow, very nice Hood! :thumbs:
This would be the first true city map of D12, because both San Francisco map and New York City map include several towns, instead this is just Chicago!

For a very small area or a city map like this I don't mind much about the North orientation (my personal thought).
Perhaps the names of the regions (neighborhoods actually) will clarify better where is North and where is South, because I remember things like North-West, North-East, Far North, Far South, and so on... If there is room for those, I don't know. Airports are clear enough to me.

Norwood Park is misspelled
Jefferson Park is also misspelled

P.S. @Dima: No sorry, I think the text of the Roman Empire map has to stay as it is. You already asked time ago.
«God doesn't play dice with the World» ~ Albert Einstein
«War is God’s way of teaching us geography» ~ Mark Twain